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macOS - Dialog windows appear behind all other windows (which can be bad)

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Hi Johnny,
This is effectively a recurrent problem with the KStars/Ekos modal dialogs.
A workaround in macOS is to display all the app windows/dialogs with Ctrl + Up Arrow.
This happens from time to time and is quite annoying.
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11 months 2 days ago #89313

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Hi Johnny,

I made the same migration from TheSkyX to EKOS about a year and a half ago. I've also experienced the same thing you and Jean-Claude note. It occurs quite often and originally I thought the system had hung up and I'd quit/force quit and relaunch. Now it's just muscle memory for me to check first if there are any hidden windows/dialogs before trying anything else using the method Jean-Claude suggests (or a three finger upward swipe on a track pad). A very high percentage of the time the problem is a hidden window/dialog.

Hopefully this will be addressed one day.
Fred

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11 months 1 day ago #89315

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Yes! This is a major usability issue. I suspect it relates to the Qt graphics libs that Kstars devs use but don't really control.

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11 months 1 day ago #89318

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This can be fixed for sure. It would be helpful if some people could try and list the offending windows you know about and can find
(e.g. play with simulator and make a list) in addition to the "Port Selector" window. I personally don't run on mac.

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11 months 1 day ago #89319

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I am willing to record my observations. The problem is, I just upgraded to Kstars 3.6.2 Stable using 'brew' over a 3.6.0 Stable version and now Kstars is very unstable. Kstars launches and I can connect to all devices in my profile but editing settings, for example setting frame width and height, causes Kstars to crash. I'll see if I can revert to 3.6.0 but I was trying to run 3.6.2 to see if the latest version fixed a different bug I was going to post about.
One thing to add is the Mac is a MacBookPro with Apple M1 Max chip.
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Ooooooooooh. Holy crap, guys. Kstars devs have a very different idea about versioning releases. Who adds new features in a patch version release? No wonder stuff blows up. You have to configure 'Trains' now and the config is hidden behind other windows.
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11 months 1 day ago #89331

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I have tried using KStars/Ekos on both an x86 MacBook Pro as well as an M1 MacBook Pro - and I see the same results on both with regards to the hidden dialog / modal windows. The dialog window issue does not appear to be related to Mac hardware for me. The only way I was able to figure out that there was a hidden dialog window open was that I was taking notes on the crashing issues and just happened to move the Ekos and Kstars window out of the way to jot down some notes in a text editor when I happened to see the little Port Chooser dialog open behind all other windows. Otherwise, I would have never figured out what was going on.

I have not had any crashes since - but I have not yet used everything for an imaging session - only testing on the bench. So far this is working for me:

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11 months 2 days ago #89336

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Happy New Year, all!
Here are my observations so far. I am just getting started with astrophotography so I have only exercised a tiny portion of the whole workflow. I'm learning on all fronts as I go. I'm over my shock that new features were added going from 3.6.0 to 3.6.2. My expectation was completely on just bug fixes.
1. 'About Kstars' dialog appears behind. Must minimize or move all other windows to see it.
2. "Are you sure you want to delete the profile" dialog appears behind.
3. Create a new profile and check 'port selector'. Start the profile. 'Port selector' window is always behind 'Ekos' and 'INDI Control Panel' windows. The only way to see it is to move these windows out of the way. Can not bring it to the front.

Possibly related but I don't always see the 'Select Train' dialog. Perhaps I just don't understand the UI flow to create new profiles. I created a new profile that included a different camera. When should I see the dialog to create a new Train? This dialog does not appear to be hidden but missing completely.
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11 months 1 day ago #89340

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More observation.
1. I wonder if this is some how related to the fact that Macs can have multiple desktops. These are multiple 'main windows' that a user can swipe between. They are desktops in that they have all the desktop icons, etc but can have different app windows on them. I just had a situation where the INDI Control Panel window would not come to the front but switching off and back on to its desktop allowed the control panel window come to the front. However, this did not help with getting the port selector window to the foreground.

2. The Mac has a way to show a view of all the windows associated with a Desktop. The Kstars window is shown but the Ekos window and the 'INDI Control panel' window (if open) are not shown in this view but should be. However, the Port Selector window is shown if it is open.

3. The "Lost connection with remote server" error dialog is another example of a dialog that is hidden behind other windows.
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Last edit: 11 months 21 hours ago by David Maffitt. Reason: adding more observations
11 months 1 day ago #89341

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Would this thread be better served if copied to a bug report, so it doesn't get lost? Where is the best place to do that?
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Dave,

That's a good idea. There is a KStars bug reporting mechanism but it requires a different login than this forum. I'll have a look.

Also, I know that Hy had requested a list of areas where this is an issue and some of us have provided examples. I started to put together a list and then stopped because this problem is so prevalent in the system. Sometimes windows open behind other windows. Sometimes windows that require input are buried because a user clicks somewhere else on the screen - taking flat frames presents dialogs that require user input but which can be buried for example if the user clicks somewhere.

In any case, I'll see about filing this as an official bug report.
Fred

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FYI, Rob is working on the issue.
invent.kde.org/education/kstars/-/merge_requests/827
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