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Bug: CCD Simulator, FOV Symbols and Align Rotation value mismatch.

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I am running Kstars version 3.4.2 - from Astroberry Server
I set up a simulator camera and telescope info. If I put the angle in the camera simulator at 30 deg the fov symbol does come up at 30 deg. Now, how did you get a solver result in simulation mode? I do not have any access to the align module (it is there, but I cannot access any buttons)?

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3 years 10 months ago #55490

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Actually it seems I mis-spoke. My FOV symbol on the Kstars chart is always pointing at the NCP. None of the simulator rotation settings (in WCS or SimConfig) seem to have any affect on the FOV orientation.
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And while you are working on this; it would be nice when you toggle on sensor FOV you get both the main camera and the guide camera FOV and if you could put in a physical offset between the two that would be even more useful (for finding guide stars - see how I just slipped that in!)

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I believe you have misunderstood some things.
1. To solve you require a mount in the profile, in this case simply the Telescope Simulator.
2. FOV symbols currently do not get their rotation from solved frames. That is what my P.S. Wishlist thought was for.
3. You can already create a custom FOV symbol with an offset to illustrate an OAG point of view.
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I had been looking all over for a telescope simulator not expecting to find it under 'other,' I thought it should be at a higher level like the other scope (small point now that I know where it is).
Yes, I misunderstood what you said earlier, I thought you were complaining that the angle was off by a fixed amount, not that it did not show up at all.
Yes, what I did first was to create a new FOV simulator for both my main camera and the guider, I just missed the lower part of the box where you can put in an offset (trying to go to fast and end up behind where I started!). But there is an issue there as well. If you put in an offset for the guide camera and then rotate it, it rotates about its center not from the center point of the offset (where the main camera is).

As I am only working with ccd simulators, at the moment, I don't know how the 'real' system behaves. If the solver gives the correct angle of the sensor, then hopefully one could at least set that angle in the sensor configuration (or the WCS setting box) and the sensor FOV image on the Kstars screen would be correct. But that does not seem to be the case with the simulator. As I mentioned above setting the rotation angle in either of those locations did not affect the "sensor" FOV symbol in Kstars.

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Ron
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Your questions are tangent to the issues I created this thread to discuss. Regarding an actual bug I believe I have found, not a discussion on proper use of these features. I will therefore request that your points be discussed in your previous thread.
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So this is not a bug, just needs clarification.

astrometry.net reads FITS image from bottom to top, while KStars reads image from top to bottom. This results in a 180-degrees flip. You don't actually see this since it's done in the back-end so everything looks "correct". If KStars adds support for reading bottom-up then all the number would match without needing to flip.
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Ok. Maybe that is something worth looking in to to make it easier to correlate solver results with FOV symbols.
The other oddity was why is the rotation in the CCD Simulator configuration -90° off in the solver?
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The CCD simulator is aware of the mount pier side and rotates images taken on the two sides of the pier by 180 degrees. This is what happens in reality.
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But 180 degrees is not -90.
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ok, I am back and I am having trouble repeating your first step. I have set up simulations for telescope, guide, filter, ccd and astrometry and started Ekos with all things connected. I have the simulators set to represent my current setup with my 9.25SCT at f/10 and my SBIG camera. I have saved those configurations and reload them when I start up. I am able to move the telescope to various targets (m101, m90, m54, etc) and successfully solve using the internal solver (with Source Extractor or not).

After starting Ekos I can see the sensor FOV symbol on the sky chart and it is pointing at the NCP. the angle in the CCD simulator configuration and in the WCS pages both (in the Indi control panel) show '0' and the FOV symbol is pointing at the NCP. I now set the angle in the CCD Simulator configuration page to 25 degrees; save that configuration and exit everything. After starting up again, the angle in the CCD simulator page in the configuration tab at rotation says 25 degrees. But the FOV symbol on the Kstars sky chart is still pointing at the NCP. I cannot seem to get anything to change the angle on the Kstars chart.
If I do a solve and it comes up with a different angle, (usually 90 or -180 or close to those) then the solved field image on the skychart is in that orientation and the FOV Symbol is also. But it does not change by my making any other changes to the configuration setting of the CCD simulator.

There seems to be to be a total disconnect there. I will re-read this thread a third time to see if I am still misinterpreting what that rotation angle (in the Indi control panel configuration pages) means, but what ever it is it does not seem to be reflected in the skychart.

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