Chad Andrist created a new topic ' Updated to Stellarmate 1.2.4 OS, now GPSD and time don't work' in the forum. 3 weeks ago

I had EVERYTHING working the way it should. I made the mistake of updating and ONCE AGAIN I cannot get GPS fix and set the time automatically using CHRONY. I tried using the same settings that I had on my GPSD.conf and CHRONY.conf from the prior install, and those don't work either.

Last straw, I am DONE with INDI, going back to my reliable and WORKING WIN10 PC stick and SGP. Worst $50 I have ever spent.

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Chad Andrist replied to the topic 'Still weird issue with GPS time' in the forum. 3 weeks ago

Kaczorek wrote:

knro wrote: Ok so I did a little bit more research and turns out using GPS for NTP is useless unless your GPS unit provides precise timing via PPS.

Why would you say this? The only difference is that without PPS you will not get precision higher than 1s, while with PPS your time precision is around 1us. All the rest would work just fine.

@SparkyHT I read your thread on CHRONY... well done!


Thanks. The version of NTP in MATE for RPI is just hosed, it refuses to run at all so I cannot use GPSD with it. Removing timesyncd didn't help either, so I started looking for other solutions and came across CHRONY. I purged all NTP files, installed CHRONY, and then modified my chrony.conf file to read the data stream coming off the USB GPS receiver. If it was a PPS capable receiver, I would've had better accuracy, but it appears to hold time just fine over the course of a night.

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Chad Andrist replied to the topic 'Still weird issue with GPS time' in the forum. 3 weeks ago

knro wrote: So I spent a few hours on this and finally go it working reliably. You'll receive a link to an updated StellarMateOS image by the end of the day. Do not edit any files, just use the StellarMate Serial Port Assistant tool to add the GPS and then restart your StellarMate afterwards and you should be set.


What are we up to in version? I still have the 1.2 image and saw on the SM website that it's up to 1.2.3

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Chad Andrist created a new topic ' KSTARS setting to wrong time after GPSD update' in the forum. 3 weeks ago

Well after a Sunday afternoon of research and testing, I found a way to set the system time on my OFFLINE RPI3 with GPSD at boot using CHRONY. It's reliable and sets the system time within a minute and a half of the OS loading. After launching KSTARS and going to EKOS and connecting to my equipment, I go to the GPSD tab to SYNC the device (i.e. my AP driver) to the current location and time by clicking "Update". On the EKOS side of things the UTC time and GPS location is correct, my AP mount sets to the proper time and the UTC offset is set to -5 which is correct for my area as we are still in DST for one more week. Here's the problem: KSTARS goes from the time set by the system and in EKOS set by the GPS, to one hour ahead! The geographic information in KSTARS is set to my city, the UTC offset is -6, and the DST rules are set for US. KSTARS is changing the time as though I am not observing DST, regardless of the geographic settings. I have a screenshot below of what I'm seeeing. Is this a bug?



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Chad Andrist replied to the topic 'Still weird issue with GPS time' in the forum. 4 weeks ago

knro wrote: Ok so I did a little bit more research and turns out using GPS for NTP is useless unless your GPS unit provides precise timing via PPS. The majority of GPS dongles don't support this. Check if your is supported here: www.catb.org/gpsd/hardware.html

I configured NTP to use GPS on StellarMate, and when I ran ntpq -p, I got this:

stellarmate@stellarmate:~$ ntpq -p
remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter
==============================================================================
0.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p - 64 0 0.000 0.000 0.001
1.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p - 64 0 0.000 0.000 0.001
2.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p - 64 0 0.000 0.000 0.001
3.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p - 64 0 0.000 0.000 0.001
ntp.ubuntu.com .POOL. 16 p - 64 0 0.000 0.000 0.001
SHM(0) .GPS. 0 l - 16 0 0.000 0.000 0.000
SHM(1) .PPS. 0 l - 16 0 0.000 0.000 0.000
+sv1.localdomain 133.243.238.163 2 u 28 64 17 194.561 1.265 10.837
*time.iqnet.com 62.201.214.162 2 u 26 64 17 176.547 10.442 14.519
+x.ns.gin.ntt.ne 249.224.99.213 2 u 29 64 7 157.242 8.576 3.270
hachi.paina.net 131.113.192.40 2 u 86 64 2 241.538 21.487 2.448
-mail.lumajangka 203.160.128.132 3 u 25 64 7 330.810 5.412 3.812
-202.143.124.3 ( 194.190.168.1 2 u 19 64 7 231.419 1.184 1.969
-one.itnet.am 93.123.39.67 2 u 26 64 7 171.718 10.273 1.899


It's using online NTP servers even though I attached a GPS and it can "read" from it, but because it doesn't have PPS, it's useless. So I'd say just use GPS NMEA driver for time synchronization. The ones that provide PPA can be pretty expensive and not really worth it unless you're need nanosecond timings.



Here's something interesting, on my Stellarmate, I can't even go into ntpq or any other ntp related register. I always get "Connection Refused". I freshly installed the image once again and tried getting into NTP, but still get the error code=5 message. Like I said before, I tried purging timesyncd and reinstalling NTP. It just doesn't want to run on the Pi. This version of MATE is just crippled and I don't have the knowledge to make it do what I want to do.

And judging by the GPS:Smartphone thread, it doesn't look like THAT is working well either. You simply CANNOT have the Pi3 online when testing GPSD or NMEA, the results are false readings. Disconnect power to the Pi3, unplug the network cable, wait for the residual memory to clear, then apply power. The time will reset to whatever and WILL NOT COME BACK unless it is given an internet connection, PERIOD. This is not SYSTEM TIME, this is the time setting on the MOUNT location tab and KSTARS. That is my experience.

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Chad Andrist replied to the topic 'Still weird issue with GPS time' in the forum. 4 weeks ago

I still don't have a fix for this. I removed timesyncd service and reinstalled NTP and I'm still getting the failed to start errors. It appears I'm screwed trying to use my RPI3 out in the field because it'll never have the right time. Making this work shouldn't have to be so difficult. I thought switching from Win10 to INDI meant freedom, flexibility, and reliability, it has been anything but. I have yet to get a successful clear night out with it. Driver issues from the start, and now foiled by trying to set something as basic and essential as a clock. I guess I didn't realize I had to be a Linux master to make INDI work for me.

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Chad Andrist replied to the topic 'Still weird issue with GPS time' in the forum. 4 weeks ago

Umm, it appears that timesyncd is NOT a part of MATE 16.04 Pi. rm /etc/systemd/system/systemd-timesyncd.service yields:

cannot remove '/etc/systemd/system/systemd-timesyncd.service' : No such file or directory

So now I'm still baffled what is killing NTP. This may all be for naught, I read something about NTP not being able to grab time from GPSD at boot because it takes too long to sync. Sigh. Not sure a Pi is ideal for a mobile setup. It's too much of a hassle having to reset time and location every time I power up. Back to the drawing board.

Also knro, I tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and was in the right timezone.

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Chad Andrist replied to the topic 'Still weird issue with GPS time' in the forum. 4 weeks ago

Kaczorek wrote: RPi does not have RTC (real time clock) so it boots at 01-01-1970 and needs to set proper time/date from some source. In a standard configuration it uses network to accomplish this goal. For many years NTP service has been used to sync operating system time to network based source. NTPD service also supports non-network sources such as GPSD service, so you can set operating system time even if you don't have Internet connection e.g. from gps device. So it is NTP service that sets your operating system time, not indi-gpsd driver. indi-gpsd driver reads operating system time and timezone to calculate offset and DST - if they are not correct you get the issues exactly you have described.

However NTP service has been replaced by timesyncd service in the recent ubuntu releases (which I believe is insane). For the sake of compatibility, timesyncd disables execution bit on ntpd service at the boot time. As the result NTP service runs fine after reinstallation and will not run after reboot. Moreover timesyncd service requires Internet connection and cannot use gps as a time/date source. To fix it you need to revert from timesyncd service to NTP service to support off-line time/date setting from gps. See example approach here


Ohhhh, well then this pieces it together for me. I guess I'll be purging timesyncd and reinstalling NTP! Without your sage knowledge I would've never known. I will try to see if I can get proper time to set after satellite lock. I have modified my ntp.conf file to use GPSD as a means to set the local time via NTP, once I get NTP running hopefully this works

Thanks!

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Chad Andrist created a new topic ' Still weird issue with GPS time' in the forum. 4 weeks ago

On a previous thread, I had issues with Ekos polling data from my USB GPS receiver. Well that issue has been fixed. This one is different. I ran some tests last night with the Pi3 running headless (no ethernet /internet) this time and found that although proper location data is retrieved for my area, the time data is not. When I boot the Pi, the system time and date is way off obviously. That time and date information should correct itself once I connect to GPSD in EKOS, both in the mount UTC field and in Kstars, correct? I can see GPSD has got a fix, and latitude/longitude are correct, UTC is set to - 5, but the UTC time field is just a calculation of the incorrect system time +5. The local time in Kstars just sets itself to the system time. Clicking "update" in the GPSD driver doesn't correct things. Very weird behavior. The only way to get time to correct itself is to connect the Pi3 to the internet. cgps shows the correct UTC time after satlock whether offline or online.

Using a tutorial I found, I attempted to see if I can set the system time from GPSD at boot, but I've run into a wall because I'm getting errors from NTP. The NTP daemon will not start and any attempt to start the NTP service exits with the message:

● ntp.service - LSB: Start NTP daemon
Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/ntp; bad; vendor preset: enabled)
Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since pet 2017-03-24 13:24:13 CET; 3s ago
Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8)
Process: 2092 ExecStart=/etc/init.d/ntp start (code=exited, status=5)

mar 24 13:24:13 tnmtv3 systemd[1]: Starting LSB: Start NTP daemon...
mar 24 13:24:13 tnmtv3 systemd[1]: ntp.service: Control process exited, code=exited status=5
mar 24 13:24:13 tnmtv3 systemd[1]: Failed to start LSB: Start NTP daemon.
mar 24 13:24:13 tnmtv3 systemd[1]: ntp.service: Unit entered failed state.
mar 24 13:24:13 tnmtv3 systemd[1]: ntp.service: Failed with result 'exit-cod

If I apt purge ntp and then reinstall ntp, everything will work... until I reboot. Then the error comes back. This is a relatively fresh Stellarmate install, so. I'm wondering if there is something wrong with MATE 16.04 for the Pi, or maybe a permissions issue?

What I want to know is if either issue is repeatable on other people's Pi3's running offline or is this exclusive to just me? I could care less about the NTP problem if I can just get EKOS/KSTARS to set to the GPS time signal once there is a satellite lock.

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Chad Andrist replied to the topic 'How to make USB GPS receiver work for me' in the forum. 1 month ago

I understand if automating such a thing is not an easy thing to do. I guess consider this thread a lessonl on what to do if one has a USB GPS receiver and wants to have it reliably pass data into INDI/EKOS. The Stellarmate Serial Assistant was helpful in making the connection repeatable after reboot.

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Chad Andrist replied to the topic 'How to make USB GPS receiver work for me' in the forum. 1 month ago

OK so I apparently answered my own question. In order to use GPSD, I had to edit /etc/default/gpsd and set DEVICES="/dev/GPS" and reboot. After that, I got GPS and TIME data in the appropriate fields in EKOS. "GPS" is the name I gave my receiver in the serial manager, its hardware address is ttyUSB2. The DEVICES field was originally blank, hence GPSD did not know where to look for a data stream.

Is there a way to automate this for future Stellarmate users, so they don't have to keep banging their head on a keyboard for hours on end? I would imagine a lot of imagers who don't have an observatory to call home would like to use a GPS receiver to sync up to and have it be not so freakin' difficult. I had to leave this forum to find an answer that made it finally click for me, there is no guide on how to do this here. A novice wouldn't even realize they can't just go into the gpsd file outright and edit it. It ain't like Windows where any file can be edited anywhere. I had to gksudo Pluma to make the file writable. Luckily I know enough about Linux to get myself into trouble, which is both a good and bad thing ;)

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Chad Andrist replied to the topic 'How to make USB GPS receiver work for me' in the forum. 1 month ago

Alright, finally got my setup inside and all hooked up. According to gpsmon, I have LAT/LONG and time. When connecting to GPSD in INDI, it appears the data stream from the receiver is not making it into EKOS/KSTARS: The status down at the bottom just says "GPS fix is in progress..."

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Chad Andrist replied to the topic 'How to make USB GPS receiver work for me' in the forum. 1 month ago

When time finally polled in gpsmon, the offset for my location was -5 UTC, which was correct. I'll have to try it out next time I set up. Thanks for your help.

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