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risingcam imx571

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Replied by Patrick on topic risingcam imx571

I don't know about HDR. Maybe it can takes 2 captures one LCG, other in HCG. But this is only a supposition.
I am not sure it is useful for us.
 
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Replied by Paolo on topic risingcam imx571

Hello, thanks a lot!
Just to confirm: by db they mean gain right?
So: LGC gain <=18, HCG gain > 18

Good to know! They just told me that the mono imx571 is available!! Now I'm really torn about what to do...
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Replied by Patrick on topic risingcam imx571

Yes that is what I understand. Those 18db are coherent with a 900 gain.
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Replied by Paolo on topic risingcam imx571

Ah ok, I've just seen the graph with the gain/gain(dB).
Man, this camera works in a weird way xD it even start at gain 100.
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Replied by Patrick on topic risingcam imx571

I don't understand all in this paper, but it seems that there is all explanations for all parameters that are in the control tabs.
www.imagesensors.org/Past%20Workshops/20...019%20Papers/R06.pdf
I will try to read, re-read it as long as I can't understand all (if I succeed to).
Maybe HDR combine low and high gain to give a better result. Who knows ?

Another good information. The binning modes are usable with this cam. It looks like there is a matrix arrangement that allows it.
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Replied by Paolo on topic risingcam imx571

The more I look at the graphs, the less I understand.
Why would they suggest to enable HGC at gain 18db (900)?
According to the graphs, everything gets really worse at such high gain compared to, for example, gain 3.95db.
I'm really puzzled...
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Replied by Paolo on topic risingcam imx571

I asked them about the amount of memory and how to use the graphs they provided, because it seems that for both LCG//HCG the best would be gain 0. The reply was:

Our Camera Memory is 512MByte
LCG: Low Conversation Gain, Low Gain, low noise, low brightness, better image quality HCG: High Converation Gain, High Gain, more nosie, higher brightness, this is good for low light condition No matter LCG or HCG, 0 Gain can get better image quality

Engineering should come up with a standard version for all customers, because they said a different thing to another user
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Replied by Patrick on topic risingcam imx571

Do you know what is the wrong info that have been given by Risingcam engineers ?
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Replied by Paolo on topic risingcam imx571

Yep, that HCG should be used with gain 900 and greater. But looking at the graph, I'd never use gain 900 with HCG on this camera. It simply doesn't seem to be the best (again, according to the graphs).
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Replied by Patrick on topic risingcam imx571

What I have understood is that the threshold of 900 is the limit where you switch from LCG to HCG. The only advantage is to get back to a full dynamic when switching from first mode to second one. It seems that for cameras like Zwo or QHY this is transparent for user because they switch automatically between the two modes.
After the choice of LCG or HCG is up to the user. Maybe for lucky imaging or use of filters like L-Extreme from Optolong HCG might be better than LCG.
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Replied by Paolo on topic Re:risingcam imx571

Actually, there's another important advantage: to reduce the read noise. If you look, for example, at the 2600mm graphs, you'll see that at gain 100 the read noise is half that of gain 0.
If you look at the Risingcam's graphs, you'll see that gain 0 is always the best option for both LCG and HCG.
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Replied by Paolo on topic Re:risingcam imx571

I've made a comparison between the ASI2600MM, QHY268M and RisingCam/Altair IMX571 Mono with the numbers found on their respective official websites and, where values were missing (qhy268m), from the SharpCap sensor analysis found on CN:

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To me it's even more clear that the RisingCam camera should always be used at gain 100 (which is gain 0 on other cameras).

Legend:
RC = RisingCam
(number) = Ultra low noise mode, e.g. (2.35)
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